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Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:28:00 -
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Cuz bad players still think the API will do something to prevent spys.
Really the only thing API is usefull for is to actually spy on the people giving you their API. Kind of sad that there's an abundance of corps that wont recruit unless you give them that info. |
Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:32:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Because of the omnipresence of spies and sabotage. Ok....I'll be clearer about my confusion: If I'm a spy, I'm after something, right? I'm probably an experienced player, right? Me being a spy AND experienced, I already know what API keys show, and what you would consider a red flag, right? So then wouldn't you expect me to apply with a pristine toon? How does my transaction history help you determine whether or not I'm a spy? Is this foolproof?
See above, regarding bad players thinking API can identify spies.
You can easily hide financial data in different ways that won't show on the API where the money is coming from. |
Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:34:00 -
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Moe Doobie wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Cuz bad players still think the API will do something to prevent spys.
Really the only thing API is usefull for is to actually spy on the people giving you their API. Kind of sad that there's an abundance of corps that wont recruit unless you give them that info. Right, I mean what's keeping them from, say, targeting me for ransoms now that they know how much money I have? That's one of the reasons I didn't show it. When I first got here, everyone told me to be slow to trust folks, so that's what I'm doing. For all I know their recruitment officer has a pirate alt just collecting APIs from applicant to see who to gank....
It's possible your API is collected to be used against you, although in most cases is just a bad player that's trying to use API to filter spies. I mean API can filter spies to a degree, but the spies that are a real threat know how to avoid leaving trails on API |
Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:41:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:With the old API Keys, most corporations simply asked for the Limited API, which i think most people were fine with. Very few asked for full API's and most refused it.
Since the new API system came out, thats all changed and corps feel welcome to their member's "full" API's.
The new custom API system should make it more clear which of these options used to be part of the 'limited' and 'full' api keys, so that corps dont feel as entitled to all your information. Its bullshit having to turn over your entire trading habbits (and reviel all of your key trade items) simply to join a corp. That never used to be a problem with the old API system.
Its simply a problem of how it is presented to the players. It has changed, and in turn has changed some player's expectations.
What was the slogan for hte API changes? I believe it was power to the players?
I remember prior to the change limited API was teh norm, and full API was viewed by most as something that you just didn't hand out to a stranger.
So i guess it turns out the change was power to the recruiter. Now who's to say that the recruiter isn't a spy? Wouldn't that be a great position to be in to spy on people? Your fed intel daily not only on those joining the corp, but anyone even showing an interest. That API key is also usually not canceled by the player I imagine while he is still part of the corp, thus provided updated intel on many many things. Who better to be a spy, than the recruiter that knows more than most about how to get past API checks and also has a good understanding how legitimate recruitment converstations work etc. Power to the spy? Seems like it.
IMO corps should be looking for a limited API key which really they only need to see the wallet journal to filter out bad spys, as well as see SP information. It's not doing the corp any good to see all my assets and market transactions etc., it's also not doing the person applying to the corp any good.
Is it too hard to have the CEO, or a trusted director have a look at a full API should you then choose that this member is eligible to roles that might cause security issues? |
Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:41:00 -
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Alphaphi wrote:There's a good reason to ask for a full API.
i used to be the director of the industry/mining sector in one of my old corporations.
we had an applicant one day that wanted to join.
he said ''OOH YEAH, i can pilot a rorqual, i have a rorqual blahblahblah'' i wanted a full API to get proof of this rorqual, both skillwise and asset wise.
he refused to give us the API, but he ''were currently mining with friends, and were hauling in the rorqual'' and we could ''join in and experience how it is to have rorqual boosting and hauling''
frankly, obvious trap is obvious.
people also have a tendency to spew out crap about their assets.
The API are not only used to keep spies out, but also to ensure that people actually bring what they promise, both asset wise, and skillpoint wise.
some corps have monthly member fees, and if someone says ''they can't pay it'' and want it postponed, they can see if that's true via the API.
you can do crap with the API else than looking at a characters info.
That's not a good reason to ask for a full API, that's a good reason to ask for a limited API.
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Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 11:00:00 -
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Alphaphi wrote:
if you sign up for a recurring payment IRL, yet haven't paid and still use the facilities and benefits from said thing and they wan't the money; it's not extortion, it's collection of debt.
The difference between this RL analogy and eve is that: A company or collection agency does not start demanding bank account statements if you fall behind on a payment. They demand the money.
Either way I don't see your eve anecdote as extortion either. |
Silk daShocka
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:13:00 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:This thread is one of the many reasons I left 0.0.
I don't trust anyone enough to give them my full API and be responsible with it. If they don't want a fully skilled logistics pilot or a minmatar artillery specialist on the off chance I might be a spy then that's their loss, f*** em. Trust is a two way street, I won't trust a corp if it doesn't trust me.
Oh you mean the null corps that keep qq'ing cuz no one lives there? |
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